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He
was a very naughty boy. For him, that meant he was full of life—so
full that he sometimes did things that got him into trouble, playing
tricks on the neighbors or his family. Tilak
defies classification and defines enigma. There is no group or
categorization in which he easily rests. He is a smart-ass philosopher,
a sweet soul sharing his heart with the world. He does nothing and yet
the air around him changes people forever. The intensity of the force
that he emanates is evidenced by the magnitude and polarity of
characterization that others carry for him. He calls himself a wake-up
service. Others call him "guru buster" or "coach."
And none of these are entirely accurate. He
has individual sessions and group sessions. What he is doing and what
people experience are often different things. Some experience a cool
breeze, a lightness, or visible lights. Some experience nothing in the
moment, but days later recognize a subtle shift in their experience of
living. I
had a unique opportunity to interview Tilak on a recent trip he made to SW:
How do you see yourself and how do you characterize your work? Tilak:
To begin with, I do not call myself a teacher, healer, or a mystic, but
people who come to me seem to put me into these roles because they do
not know how else to relate to me. When I lived in So,
I do not call my work spiritual, or psychological, or philosophical
pathways. It is simply bringing people to live in excellence and to
experience extreme possibilities that they have never imagined before in
their lives. For me, my work is about breaking through whatever brings a
person down, to turn it around and rise like a tidal wave beyond all the
currents that are trying to hold him down. I
give initial sessions through which a person experiences a transmission
of a cool breeze and lightness that washes away some of the dark matter
and black lines in his body/mind. This allows a person to experience a
sudden surge of energy, clarity and brilliance, leading to a new space
opening to his life. In
my work there are different formats, such as Portals, Dynamic Sessions,
and Intensives that are available to people on different levels
depending on where they are in their lives. Basically, it is not just
that they come and get a zap from me and go home and they are fine.
Truly, once they are dipped in a space of true lightness and an
emotional cool breeze, they become very alert, ready, and active out of
pure wonder and attraction to life. Then they are given various
practices and tools they can use to row their new boat upstream on the
mystical river, so that their life will become adventurous and
delightful. The
way I define "adventure" and "spiritual" and
"the path of liberation" is absolutely different from other
people's opinions. In fact, most of the so-called "spiritual
world" is challenged by my work. In Maui News in SW:
You've said that there is no lineage or teachers behind you. What are
some of your influences? Tilak:
My influence actually has been my family and my parents. My father was a
professor of physics, and my mother came from a rich, Buddhist family.
And so they were very sweet parents. They did one thing to me, which was
the best thing they ever could have done; they never interfered. SW:
The difference between you and other, say, teachers—for lack of a
better word—is that most teachers expect a lot of their students and
require that they will follow a fairly rigorous discipline of meditation
and devotion. And that is not what you are talking about at all. I
wonder if you would talk a little bit about that difference. Tilak:
Well, that is not entirely true because my advanced students, they
actually are required to have tremendous discipline. I do not use the
words "discipline" and "responsibility," but I use
the word "mindfulness." I say they are mindful. When they are
being mindful, there is a natural discipline, a natural respect that
comes. So it is a different kind of terminology. But all the advanced
Intensives I give require people to do practices and projects that they
are given. They have to take part in very intense explorations and
discoveries—emotional and intellectual exercises that provide them
with the pleasure of seeing something different and discovering new
boundaries. SW:
Without requiring dogma. Tilak:
That is the difference, without requiring dogma. And without requiring
any need to suffer. One of my fundamental teachings is that life is a
celebration. Anything that makes you feel you have to struggle and
suffer is a myth and is coming from traditional and rigorous
conditionings of all the religions, except Buddhism. All the religions
actually make you feel that somewhere or other you have to participate
in some kind of a painful ritual about yourself. This is, I think, one
of the deepest myths there is, and actually you cannot get out of it. So
you feel that struggle is a necessary factor in life. SW:
One of the ways I characterized my experience of your work was a
momentary look at the illusion, an identification of the illusion of
life. Being able to see that reality wasn't as I had conceived of it
before. Is that part of your intention? Tilak:
No, that is just a by-product. That is something that just happens. We
are suffering from three things: illusion, suppression, and ignorance.
As a result of those three conditions, we normally are not able to rise
like a sunrise and experience the wonder of life. People
normally don't see things because they don't have the courage and the
strength and the energy to see them. And if they see them without the
courage, energy, and strength, it will shatter their whole energy.
People can't see certain things that are true in their lives; as a
result, they hold on to various other things and wait. When people have
a session, they are exposed. They actually see their true selves. They
see the things they should be doing and what they should not be doing.
They see the illusion. The
sessions give them the strength and courage to see clearly. This is one
of the deepest exposures. This is actually the truth that is coming out
of a person's whole essence. Truth has an organic connection. I am not
referring to truth in terms of a philosophy or a dogma, but rather truth
as an organic connection. SW:
In other religions there is almost a sense of denial of body. And you
talk about enjoying the richness of just being human. Tilak:
Actually, I talk about being sensuous. And all the religions, except
Tantric Buddhism, completely denounce that we are sensual. They imply
that just to feel the sensuousness and the vertical connection to the
life force is not only taboo, it should be punished. So we never
experience that we have a tasty body. As a result, all our pleasures
have gone into various mental and emotional trips in which we are not
truly able to experience an impact on the whole cellular level. My
whole work is about awakening, and awakening is a sensuous experience.
It is a very sensuous experience. I am going to give a talk called
"Sensuous, Sacred Secrets." Human sexuality is something
totally denied by all the religions and all the politicians, because
they don't want to hear about it. SW:
In other traditions, there is a sense that once you have achieved
enlightenment, the goal is to be in that state continuously, and that
one has not truly risen to the occasion if that is not the case. From
what I am hearing you say, that is not necessarily what you believe. Tilak:
I totally disagree with the notion that there is something to achieve
and that there is a certain Samadhi that you achieve and after that you
are in a state of bliss. If you have to maintain a state of bliss, it is
like Donald Trump trying to maintain his wealth. He may go bankrupt the
next day, but he can come back and do it again. That is the excitement
about life. There are no securities; all these are life fantasies that
are coming out of our unworthiness and our imperfection. We normally
like to believe that we can achieve huge emotional states and then
remain there. You never can remain anywhere, not even in Hell. If you
are going through Hell, you better go fast. That is the only thing you
can do; get it over with. You never can remain anywhere; that actually
is the truth about it. When
I was a teenager, I experienced something breaking loose in me. Ever
since then, I am going; I am never stopping. Not that I attain Nirvana
or Samadhi; I have no idea what they are like. I experience
rebelliousness, a freedom and a truth that is coming out to be expressed
without fear. This has put me into deep trouble many times, because I
challenge and I am so expressive and so real about it. If you are truly
a great warrior, it doesn't matter whether people throw you roses or
rotten eggs. You say, "Is that so?" I have remained that way. It
is like, I think I am going through a never-ending story called
Infinity, but it is a cellular experience, a never-ending journey of
love. I am discovering, and exploring, and connecting with pure love in
many ways. Pure love brings humbleness and an appreciation, a sweetness
into your life. There are no conditions to love. SW:
What you are able to bring out in people—I wonder if this is part of
the evolution of culture, the evolution of human beings? And do you see
yourself as part of that process? Pretty soon are there going to be more
and more people that are able to break through reality in the way that
you do? Tilak:
I think that is very true. Life has never been a one-man show. Actually,
that is why there are so many great beings like Buddha, I
think that something definitely happened in the human consciousness.
There is a certain wave, like a tornado or hurricane, that comes once in
a while in the whole world and it is like a cool breeze. You can't
normally experience it or feel it. Such a wave actually came in the
1960s and 1970s, and people got weird and wild. The flower children, the
hippies, turned to drugs and random sex. That was the reaction people
had. They reacted to something they felt; they felt free. They suddenly
realized, "Why bother?" But they experienced the liberation as
a twisted reality. Had they experienced the liberation, not as a twisted
reality but as a direct response, they would have fallen in love. And
not just with one another, they would have fallen in love with something
so powerful. And they would have realized the very nature of reality and
Infinity. For some reason, it was like a delinquent age of the human
race, and they could not get it. As
I said, there is a certain wave and I have no idea whether it will come
back in a hundred years or a thousand years. We know that such waves
existed in the past about twenty-five hundred years ago and five
thousand years back, because there are statues and paintings in the Kama
Sutra and in Tantric sex. They disclosed that people responded to
something. A wave went around the world. It is like a breeze. I call it
the "mad rain," a rain that actually allows people to get out
of their houses and get wet. When you get wet in this rain, you feel so
super. But rather than it being a physical rain, it was a breeze. It was
a force that came. They say it is coming; it is coming from the end of
Infinity, like a blessing or a grace that is there. |
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